James Packer is appearing before the NSW inquiry into Crown casino’s junkets and money-laundering.
The live feed of the inquiry’s hearing briefly was back live for public viewing, but only for a minute.
The legal teams are now taking a five to ten minute break and then we’ll be back on and hopefully find out about Mr Packer’s emails and dealings with privatisation offers and Israeli billionaire Arnon Milchan
This delay in public proceedings is frustrating for those wanting to keep track. But it’s common for inquiry hearings to be closed for a short period of time to discuss legal points.
(Though there was little in camera evidence during the banking royal commission, despite banks having rafts of confidential information presented to the commission.)
Mr Packer and his legal team have the legal right to challenge whether these 13 sensitive emails are entered as evidence by the inquiry.
Of course, he wrote them at a time of his life when he was in a state of “deep personal crisis” the inquiry has already heard.
But whether that is enough of an argument to sway former judge Patricia Bergin, who is overseeing the inquiry, from keeping the emails out of evidence is anyone’s guess at this point.
We’re still in a closed hearing while counsel assisting the inquiry and lawyers for James Packer discuss whether these 13 highly sensitive emails will be made public.
Mr Packer’s legal team would like them to stay private and, of course, the Inquiry has other ideas. These seem like some particularly juicy emails.
Given the hearing is expected to close for the day at 4pm, time is ticking here.
But don’t worry Packer fans, we have a feeling the casino mogul will be back on Wednesday to answer more questions.
The inquiry has taken a very unexpected turn early on, with Mr Packer being questioned about his relationship with Arnon Milchan, an Israeli billionaire and confidant of the president Benjamin Netanyahu, and also a 2015 plan to privatise Crown.
This is ground that inquiry has not covered so far in its 36 days of public hearings.
The inquiry is told that Mr Packer and Mr Milchan were in 2015 planning a cyber security business together which was to involve a figure connected to Mossad. The relevance of that is not clear.
Mr Packer was taken to journalist Damon Kitney’s book Price of Fortune, by Mr Bell.
Mr Bell asked: “You’re quoted as saying that Mr Milchan is maybe the most charming and deadly person I’ve ever met. What did you mean by that.
“I meant that I would hate to cross him and that he is extraordinarily charming.”
Counsel assisting the inquiry Adam Bell, SC, then introduces two individuals and one company which are to be referred to only by pseudonym: Mr X, Mr Y and the company Z Co.
We’re then told that in November 2015, after Mr Packer left the Crown board, he and then chair Robert Rankin planned privatising Crown. (Mr Packer owed about 53 per cent of the company at the time).
Mr Bell says that Z Co was one of the private equity firms they talk to about privatisation, and Mr Y and Mr X were two of the firm’s principals.
“That’s correct,” says Mr Packer.
Mr Bell says the proposal was that Zed Co would put $1.5 billion into the Crown privatisation, based on Crown’s current valuation of $9.1 billion.
Mr Packer, however, says he can’t recall that. So Mr Bell takes him to a series of emails, that we can only assume spells this out. Z Co comes back and says that it could only provide $400 million.
Mr Bell then takes Packer to another bundle of 13 emails, which is where Packer’s legal team interject asking for a confidentiality and non-publication order, with the argument we posted earlier that:
“These communications took place at a state of deep personal crisis of [Mr Packer], the matters if you look at them are matters that will be reflective of that and in our submission there is no public interest in disclosing them”.
That’s why the public stream has been cut off.
Where the inquiry is going with this is not clear. Fair to say though, it’s not what we expected to be hearing about.
We’ve taken a short break so that Mr Packer can be asked about those emails sent in 2015 about a proposed privatisation deal in a closed hearing.
His lawyers were granted their request for these questions to be asked in private because of concerns about his state of mind at the time of writing the messages.
The first 40 minutes of the inquiry have been pretty jammed packed but very high level questions, which could indicate that we will start to dig in deeper into issues later during today’s hearing.
We’ve touched on Mr Packer’s relationships in Israel, China. A biography about him by journalist Damon Kitney was also tendered into evidence. Mr Packer said he only skim read the book and did not read it “cover to cover”.
We’ve entered into one of those strange bits of a public inquiry where certain elements of information are hiding behind suppression orders.
So the inquiry is going through discussions between Mr Packer, and a mysteriously Mr X and a mysterious Mr Y from company Z. This goes to a $400 million privatisation offer mulled by Mr Packer in 2015.
Lawyer for Mr Packer, Noel Hutley, SC, is seeking to have a whole bundle of emails not being presented to the inquiry because it would be unfair to Mr Packer.
“These communications took place at a state of deep personal crisis of my client, the matters if you look at them are matters that will be reflective of that and in our submission there is no public interest in disclosing them,” Mr Hutley said.
Counsel assisting Adam Bell, SC, has taken Mr Packer back to 2015, when he was a Crown director and the company was investing heavily in the Chinese “VIP” high roller business, which was starting to bring in big bucks for its casinos in Melbourne and Perth.
This aggressive strategy ended with in the arrest of 19 Crown staff in China in 2016.
Mr Bell asked Mr Packer whether he was aware Crown was investing heavily in this part of the business. “I can’t recall,” he said.
“You had a particular interest didn’t, you in the VIP business of crown resorts?” Mr Bell asked.
“No more than my interest in other areas of Crown Resorts,” Mr Packer responded.
Counsel assisting the inquiry Adam Bell, SC, is taking Mr Packer through his first series of questions about his resignation from Crown in March 2015 .
When asked why he left the company he told the inquiry: “I wasn’t well.”
Mr Packer was widely known to have suffered mental health problems during that period.
Mr Bell takes Mr Packer through some of Mr Packer’s written statements to the inquiry, which says that Mr Packer has been on heavy medication for several years which impedes his ability to remember events from his time on Crown’s board.
However, Mr Packer says that reviewing documents from the time can assist his recollection
James Packer has taken the stand and is being sworn in.
The billionaire is giving evidence from what looks like a nondescript, empty room, but which we understand to be his $200 million superyacht, moored somewhere in the South Pacific.
He’s wearing a black suit, white shirt and red tie.
The 53 year old has been keeping a low profile since stepping back from corporate and public life in 2018 amid a battle with mental illness and probably never expected to face a public grilling like this.